I don't yet have more information on SNP L513 and won't until I find out more from one of the FTDNA group administrators. I mentioned an Italian with the P66+ SNP and that there were differences in our test results. He was tested by Ethno-Ancestry and the group administrator needs his results on DYS 617,
406S1 and 640. Meanwhile, Jim McKown and I were not tested on markers that the Italian was: Dys461,462, 463, 434, and 435.
I have asked the administrator if this means that the Italian should be tested by FTDNA on threee markers or that Jim and I should be tested by Ethno-Ancestry on five markers. Neither approach sounds feasible to me. In fact, the Italian, if interested, should be retested to 67 markers by FTDNA because there is a good chance that he may be descended from Cuchonnaght Maguire who died in Genoa, Italy,
in 1608. I hope for all our sakes that he is as interested in his ancestral surname as he is in his ethnicity.
I mentioned two postings ago about three McCowns being classified as Ua Flaithbeartaigh although we don't match each other above 12 markers. It turns out that while the above name in Gaelic was applied to an historical O'Flaherty or O'Lafferty, that there was also a Maguire in the chiefly line with the given name of Flaithbeartaigh, so that name could conceivably apply to McCowns of Maguire descent.
Monday, April 18, 2011
Sunday, April 17, 2011
The Time has Come the Walrus Said
Many things are happening that look like a strengthening of the connection between my McCown line and the rest of the Maguires. The P66+ SNP that both Jim McKown and I have, has been found in our
Ulster results and in one Italian result. The Italian result may be related to Cuchonnacht Maguire who died in Genoa, Italy in August 1608 as well as to the Flight of the Earls which included O'Neills, O'Connors and Maguires among others. The Flight of the Earls took place on Sept. 14, 1607.
The problem with the Italian P66+ is that we don't match him on five markers and he has not been tested to 67 markers which Mike Walsh of the R-1 L21 11-13 Combo Group would like him to take.
This in turn, leads to the possible need for Jim and I to take the L513 test. I will address that in the next posting to this blog since I don't have more information on it. Meanwhile, I for one, am greatly encouraged. And this just in, 9 of 16 members of Brad McGuire's Airgialla Mag Uidhir Group have already signed up for the 67 toY-111 marker test introduction which is currently offered at a bargain price.
Ulster results and in one Italian result. The Italian result may be related to Cuchonnacht Maguire who died in Genoa, Italy in August 1608 as well as to the Flight of the Earls which included O'Neills, O'Connors and Maguires among others. The Flight of the Earls took place on Sept. 14, 1607.
The problem with the Italian P66+ is that we don't match him on five markers and he has not been tested to 67 markers which Mike Walsh of the R-1 L21 11-13 Combo Group would like him to take.
This in turn, leads to the possible need for Jim and I to take the L513 test. I will address that in the next posting to this blog since I don't have more information on it. Meanwhile, I for one, am greatly encouraged. And this just in, 9 of 16 members of Brad McGuire's Airgialla Mag Uidhir Group have already signed up for the 67 toY-111 marker test introduction which is currently offered at a bargain price.
Tuesday, April 12, 2011
Ua Flaithbheartaigh
There is an FTDNA Cenel Eoghain Group. Eoghain, pronounced Owen means John. In this case, the Eoghain was an O'Neill king and a county in Northern Ireland bears his name. It is Tir Owen or Tyrone, which means Land of Owen.
The group, at the moment has three members named McCown or McCone and notice no "an" or "en" is required because it is still O(w)ne. The DNA of these three McCowns is not the same above 11/12 markers and in the Cenel Eoghain Group all three are listed under Ua Flaithbheartaigh which could be rendered in English as the Sept of O'Flaherty or O'Lafferty. Their power was greatly reduced in the 12th century by battles with the MacBrians and the O'Connors.
The Ua Flaithbheartaigh lived in Connaught, roughly in Donegal. I don't know that this one label can cover all McCowns, but I am glad that Donegal was included in our tour of Northern Ireland last
September.
Jim McKown and I have signed up for the FTDNA 67-Y111 marker test introduction. This is new technology and is expected to greatly improve the accuracy of the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA). Jim and I hope that it will pin point just how long ago our Most Recent Common
ancestor lived. Of course, we also hope it will also illuminate our link to the Maguire Clan and to that end, hope that many of our 67 marker matches also upgrade to that test.
The group, at the moment has three members named McCown or McCone and notice no "an" or "en" is required because it is still O(w)ne. The DNA of these three McCowns is not the same above 11/12 markers and in the Cenel Eoghain Group all three are listed under Ua Flaithbheartaigh which could be rendered in English as the Sept of O'Flaherty or O'Lafferty. Their power was greatly reduced in the 12th century by battles with the MacBrians and the O'Connors.
The Ua Flaithbheartaigh lived in Connaught, roughly in Donegal. I don't know that this one label can cover all McCowns, but I am glad that Donegal was included in our tour of Northern Ireland last
September.
Jim McKown and I have signed up for the FTDNA 67-Y111 marker test introduction. This is new technology and is expected to greatly improve the accuracy of the Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA). Jim and I hope that it will pin point just how long ago our Most Recent Common
ancestor lived. Of course, we also hope it will also illuminate our link to the Maguire Clan and to that end, hope that many of our 67 marker matches also upgrade to that test.
Friday, April 1, 2011
Serendipity
An internet genealogical contact is in the unfortunate situation of not having a male in the surname line
to take the Y-DNA test on her behalf---until a moment of serendipity occurred and such a male has already been tested and his test results are on display. Her family's coat of arms has an O'Neill crest above it and the person tested has the Niall of the Nine Hostages haplotype.
I had been trying to find some McCowns scattered about an FTDNA project and that surname was there.
This contact has done a lot of diligent research both here and in Ulster and has access to some records that most of the rest of us don't. Still, after giving up hope for help via DNA, it was found by chance.
She has been a great help to me providing information and advice that may ultimately unlock the Ulster
history of my McCown line. I will take serendipity over hard work any old time.
to take the Y-DNA test on her behalf---until a moment of serendipity occurred and such a male has already been tested and his test results are on display. Her family's coat of arms has an O'Neill crest above it and the person tested has the Niall of the Nine Hostages haplotype.
I had been trying to find some McCowns scattered about an FTDNA project and that surname was there.
This contact has done a lot of diligent research both here and in Ulster and has access to some records that most of the rest of us don't. Still, after giving up hope for help via DNA, it was found by chance.
She has been a great help to me providing information and advice that may ultimately unlock the Ulster
history of my McCown line. I will take serendipity over hard work any old time.
Saturday, March 19, 2011
Quest for a Small Group
The latest word from FTDNA regarding SNP P66+ and marker DYF399X is that although Jim McKown and I, both being P66+ could be tested for marker DYF399X. We have been encouraged to
put together a small group to also be tested because that will give the interpreters more sight angles at the results and could, perhaps, identify how long ago P66+ came into our family line. My hope is that it will not only do that but also show others with Maguire DNA who may be related to us.
Barry McCain, administrator of the FTDNA Ulster Heritage Group, believes that our McCown/McKown connection with the Maguire DNA came about sometime in the 1600's AD. Barry
also sent a list of five or six other men that he has identified at 67 markers to William Roulston to study and if possible, find if they, indeed, did live near to each other, were Protestant and had other relatedness among the families.
All of this may sound like we are trying to avoid FTDNA's recently developed test that has the capability to identify cousins going back five generations. That is not the case, because that test was not offered when Barry first contacted William Roulston, Jim McKown had not been tested at all, and few people other than John McEwan had even heard of P66+ or DYF399X. John had as far back as at least 2005 and has written about it.
The FTDNA test for cousins is more far reaching and costs much more than what we plan to do. What we are trying to do could be money down the drain or a spectaculor success---with a wee bit o' the luck of the Irish.
put together a small group to also be tested because that will give the interpreters more sight angles at the results and could, perhaps, identify how long ago P66+ came into our family line. My hope is that it will not only do that but also show others with Maguire DNA who may be related to us.
Barry McCain, administrator of the FTDNA Ulster Heritage Group, believes that our McCown/McKown connection with the Maguire DNA came about sometime in the 1600's AD. Barry
also sent a list of five or six other men that he has identified at 67 markers to William Roulston to study and if possible, find if they, indeed, did live near to each other, were Protestant and had other relatedness among the families.
All of this may sound like we are trying to avoid FTDNA's recently developed test that has the capability to identify cousins going back five generations. That is not the case, because that test was not offered when Barry first contacted William Roulston, Jim McKown had not been tested at all, and few people other than John McEwan had even heard of P66+ or DYF399X. John had as far back as at least 2005 and has written about it.
The FTDNA test for cousins is more far reaching and costs much more than what we plan to do. What we are trying to do could be money down the drain or a spectaculor success---with a wee bit o' the luck of the Irish.
Friday, March 4, 2011
New Haplogroup Explained
Brad McGuire and Pat Meguire both are group administrators and both replied to my emails regarding the change in haplogroup.
It is not a mistake and represents new sub branches to established trees. More to follow as the smoke clears.
It is not a mistake and represents new sub branches to established trees. More to follow as the smoke clears.
Faster Than a Speeding Bullet, Wilder than the Evening News
FTDNA has just changed the haplogroups of a whole passel of men without blinking an eye. The change involves all of the men whose haplogroups have been tested in the Ulster Heritage Group Mag Uidhir I and Mag Uidhir II. It generally changed many more men than that because R1b1b2a1b5 is one of the most common haplogroups on the west coast of Scotland, the western Isles and Northern Ireland.
It changed for all of those mentioned above from R1b1b2a1b5 to R1b1a2a1a1b4, which you will all agree is one heck of a change. Jim McKown and I have a letter c suffix following the 4. This haplogroup change may be another lab goof or a posting goof, because the underlying SNP results did not change a whit. It may be because their chief scientist at the Houston lab has left on vacation, that the people at the con have made a mistake. Whatever, I have contacted FTDNA and should receive an reply
next week. One other possibility is that FTDNA is initiating the change to the most recent NIST standards. When FTDNA replies, I will print the answer here.
It changed for all of those mentioned above from R1b1b2a1b5 to R1b1a2a1a1b4, which you will all agree is one heck of a change. Jim McKown and I have a letter c suffix following the 4. This haplogroup change may be another lab goof or a posting goof, because the underlying SNP results did not change a whit. It may be because their chief scientist at the Houston lab has left on vacation, that the people at the con have made a mistake. Whatever, I have contacted FTDNA and should receive an reply
next week. One other possibility is that FTDNA is initiating the change to the most recent NIST standards. When FTDNA replies, I will print the answer here.
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